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Jason Tek Chun Sheng
03-16-2017, 01:16 PM
Will there ever be a mutant that is stronger than Space Surfer and replacing Space Surfer in the Challenge Hall

Bert Huylebroeck
03-16-2017, 01:39 PM
Will there ever be a mutant that is stronger than Space Surfer and replacing Space Surfer in the Challenge HallDo you know that space surfer isn't the strongest mutant? Can be countered with necro mutants (actually Muddypeat is a good counter, because even with level 3 speed orb, space surfer is still slower then muddy. And the retaliate is huge on space surfer, if he attacks a muddypeat. But there are other options.

Jason Tek Chun Sheng
03-16-2017, 02:31 PM
Do you know that space surfer isn't the strongest mutant? Can be countered with necro mutants (actually Muddypeat is a good counter, because even with level 3 speed orb, space surfer is still slower then muddy. And the retaliate is huge on space surfer, if he attacks a muddypeat. But there are other options.

Not entirely, a single Muddy attack can't kill a full health Space Surfer, therefore giving Space Surfer an extra boost

Bert Huylebroeck
03-16-2017, 09:53 PM
Not entirely, a single Muddy attack can't kill a full health Space Surfer, therefore giving Space Surfer an extra boost

Example Level 50 (no orbs, because to much possibilities, you can even add boost on muddy)
Muddy
Health 16662
Attack 10018

Space Surfer
Health 24007
Attack 12257

Muddy attacks first. His attack generates 10018 *1.5 because of brutal = 15027
Space surfer survives and has 8980 health left. But his attack rises with 30% because of boost.

Space surfer attacks next. He attacks with 12257 * 1.3 (boost) * 0.75 (weak attack) = 11951
Muddy survives with 4711 and uses retaliate ability

Muddy attacks next and destroys space surfer.
And there are plenty of other solutions.

Bert Huylebroeck
03-16-2017, 10:16 PM
Example Level 50 (no orbs, because to much possibilities, you can even add boost on muddy)
Muddy
Health 16662
Attack 10018

Space Surfer
Health 24007
Attack 12257

Muddy attacks first. His attack generates 10018 *1.5 because of brutal = 15027
Space surfer survives and has 8980 health left. But his attack rises with 30% because of boost.

Space surfer attacks next. He attacks with 12257 * 1.3 (boost) * 0.75 (weak attack) = 11951
Muddy survives with 4711 and uses retaliate ability

Muddy attacks next and destroys space surfer.
And there are plenty of other solutions.

Another example, just to show how easy it can be, if you got the right speed

Tuttioe Goey vs Space Surfer

Tuttioe Goey level 50
H: 18054
A: 8195

Space Surfer
Health 24007
Attack 12257

Goey attacks first with 8195*1.5=12292
Space Surfer attacks next with 12257*1.3 (boost)=15934
Goey survives and attacks second time with 8195*1.5*1.6 (2x boost)=19668

Goey wins (and he is a simple basic mutant)


And nobody will use him. With the new balance things are way better, there is still a difference, but way smaller then before.

Jason Tek Chun Sheng
03-17-2017, 04:20 PM
Another example, just to show how easy it can be, if you got the right speed

Tuttioe Goey vs Space Surfer

Tuttioe Goey level 50
H: 18054
A: 8195

Space Surfer
Health 24007
Attack 12257

Goey attacks first with 8195*1.5=12292
Space Surfer attacks next with 12257*1.3 (boost)=15934
Goey survives and attacks second time with 8195*1.5*1.6 (2x boost)=19668

Goey wins (and he is a simple basic mutant)


And nobody will use him. With the new balance things are way better, there is still a difference, but way smaller then before.

You do know that Space Surfer only attacks the mutants that are vulnerable towards his genes right?